IN a quest to find football fans more miserable than us, Neil Atkinson and John Gibbons pack their bags and head off to the North East, where they really know how to do misery and despair.

Well not quite. They just went to The Tower and rang Stephen Goldsmith of Wise Men Say podcast and Kristan Heneage of lotsĀ and lots of places to talk about Sunderland, Newcastle and whether the North East in general is a bit of a nightmare.

They find pockets of hope in some places. Less in others.