ALBERTO MORENO could maybe do better from where I am. Could maybe do better. Riyad Mahrez sends him. The keeper could maybe come. But then Jamie Vardy does that. And that is that. That is that. Goals from nowhere. Magic in the boots. Liverpool are done and Leicester are having a great time.
Leicester are having a great time. They aren’t cool. They aren’t funny or sexy or slinky or any of the things you want to be. They haven’t got funk in their junk.
But they have got sheer unbridled joy in their strides and rightly so because if you can’t enjoy this right now then you are wasting your time.
They are enjoying it. Fair play to them.
The selection of Jordan Henderson at right mid is dreadful. The first time he comes by us second half and the ball goes dead we see him walk.
He doesn’t walk. He limps.
He can’t walk cleanly. He’s clearly not fit.
If he is fit he should be centre mid. He isn’t fit. He clearly isn’t fit. If he is telling his manager he is fit then he is letting people down. If people at the club are saying he is fit, well, he is limping. Clearly limping.
And either way, he isn’t a right mid. He isn’t a right mid.
Liverpool want to go 4-4-2 you think but yet again everyone is 10 yards higher than they should be. Roberto Firmino a nine-and-a-half at nine.
Adam Lallana a midfielder at 10. Henderson a centre mid at right mid, James Milner likewise.
And Liverpool lack pace. They are so chronically short of pace. Pace over five yards, 10 yards, 20 yards. Each and everyone of Liverpool’s front six could, for the position they are in, could do with having more over 10 yards.
The difference between Liverpool and this Leicester side is simply pace and finishing.
That might as well be everything.
Dejan Lovren and Mamadou Sakho are quicker than Wes Morgan and Robert Huth. This is pointless because Vardy is markedly quicker than all four.
Firmino and Lallana aren’t.
I got off on 85. I don’t normally do that sort of thing but I did. I just couldn’t hack any more.
I stuck Stoke 6-1 out to the bitter end so don’t judge. I just couldn’t watch any more of Liverpool’s bluntness in the context Vardy had left.
I couldn’t deal with Leicester’s uncool fun. I couldn’t live with it. I don’t normally do that sort of thing but I was overwhelmed.
It doesn’t take much to fix.
Divock Origi, Danny Ings, Philippe Coutinho and Daniel Sturridge all back. Two more pacey good footballers added. Liverpool left with lightning. Buying lightning.
Instead a pump down a channel. A burst of pace. A flamboyant finish which didn’t give a fuck. Liverpool finished. Leicester fervent. Bill Shankly up at night with his knives and forks. With his pepper pot. Thinking about Leicester. Saying. Thinking:
It can’t be allowed to happen again. It can’t be allowed to go on.
Leicester away. It’s a marker. It’s your marker. My marker. Jürgen’s marker.
Don’t come the Vardy. Don’t play the Vardy worldie card. Lovren fecking stood there and watched.
With you on Moreno. Don’t wanna see him play again. And his hair is as bad as your’s #trump.
I didn’t read the rest.
Agree Vardy and Mahrez are ultimately the difference between us and them – as well as a bucket load of confidence and momentum – but where Morgan and Huth may not be the quickest, nor indeed the most talented, they are fully committed, strong and consistent. Two things none of our defenders except Clyne and Skrtel are.
That is almost as important to address in the summer as goals.
One slight correction to this (and indeed the article itself) is that Morgan is, in fact, lightning quick. Yeah I know he doesn’t look it, but he’s been clocked this season as having one of the fastest top speeds in the league. Look it up if you don’t believe me.
So yeah, uncool Leicester even have lightning in their boots at centre back, while our entire front 6 jog and toil. Utterly depressing.
We have no cutting edge and far too many passengers in the team. Jurgen’s got his work cut out for him: the words ‘sow’s ear’ and ‘silk purse’ spring to mind. We need Sturridge and Coutinho, fast.
Joe Allen should have started tonight, I’m tired of posting this every week. Henderson is clearly injured and Can could do with a rest. Feel sorry for Milner, he’s experiencing what we all go through as we get a bit older: he thinks he’s quicker than he actually is and, as a consequence, ends up looking laboured and foolish when some young whippersnapper takes the ball away from him.
I still hate Mignolet despite his great saves tonight. How can defenders take his bawling seriously when he can’t catch or kick and constantly plays the team into trouble by rolling the ball out to them when they don’t want it and aren’t even looking at him?
Wasn’t his fault that we lost tonight though, indeed he prevented a worse scoreline. We have too many players with no end product.
Why are you criticising Mignolet then? Talk about boring. That defence in front of him is a shambles.
We need to stop scapegoating. 90% of these players aren’t good enough to be regular starters. When it’s *that* many players, it’s time to start looking at who’s responsible for bringing them in, and making sure something bloody changes going forward.
Because he kept playing us into trouble by being thick?
Does it every week.
Before I start, let me make it clear I am not – for one nano-second – suggesting we bin Klopp.
That said, if this team were storming up the league no-one would say ‘well it’s Brendan’s team’. Klopp would get the credit for doing what we all hoped he would do – getting more from a limited set of players than Rodgers could. Well, fact is his results are worse than Brendan’s. He’s getting less from the same players. In a shite season last year, we had 5 more points at this stage than we do now. Even this season I think Rodgers’ points per game is better than Klopp’s.
Does this mean Klopp is crap? Of course not. Will he improve the team in them mid/long’term? Yes, I’m confident he will. Does that mean he should escape criticism for how we’re playing 5 months into his tenure? Bollocks to that.
Like I say,
Rodgers got around the same amount of points with a full squad to select from and practically no one injured
Klopp works in and there were two ACLs amongst other things
Funny how loads of people who were having a go at people for criticising Rodgers are all suddenly coming out to try to pin it on a manager who’s only been in the job for 4 months and has been hamstrung massively already. Great set of fans we have
Exactly. Also, Rodgers didn’t have the team playing every 3-4 days and alive in 4 competitions.
The first time he had multiple competitions to concentrate on we had the debacle of 2014/15.
Give Klopp a break. He’s been dealt a horrendous blow and anything he does that gives us hope is a positive.
absolutely spot on. If i hire 3 star michelin chef and give him a gigantic dog turd to cook with will he transform it into a scrumptious meal? Will he fuck.
No one ever said we don’t have a shed full of whoppers following this team though.
23 and SteveR: spot on;
As a few other fans have already mentioned before, the best thing about Liverpool at the moment is Klopp (and his staff); I truly believe that they will be able to turn this ship around given proper time and support; BELIEVE.
Rodgers didn’t have Clyne, Firmino, Benteke, Origi, or Milner as options.
Rodgers had Balotelli, Lambert, Johnson, Manquillo, and Borini. How many of that lot are going to start gegenpressing the opposition into the ground?
Starter Sakho was out injured for most of last season, starter Flanagan out for full season, starter Sturridge out for most of season, starter Lallana is out or recovering most weeks, Lucas is out or recovering several weeks, Gerrard is aging by the week, Mignolet has massive personal crisis of confidence, and all of the young players this season were a year younger.
Let’s be clear: there are full squads and there are “full” squads.
I was one who argued to give Rodgers more time, that circumstances drove the results more than his management, but I am very happy to have Klopp here and I think the same logic applies. This is not the result of Klopp’s management, but a transitional year filled with loads of context.
People don’t want to hear context, though. For me, there are supporters of the club and followers of the club. If you are not going to be there for the hard times, the thin as well as the the thick, you don’t deserve to call yourself a supporter.
If Liverpool’s medical staff need a limping player to tell them he’s not fit before they can work this out for themselves, they should all lose their jobs.
2 freak goals, but even without those we are never scoring. At two-nil down we had a few breaks which resulted in bodies getting forward…I’m counting 4 or 5 players milling around in the 15 yards in front of Leicester’s box trying to look busy, but never – and I mean not once – more than 2 of our guys in the box itself. Presumably the plan for getting back into games like this is to score a worldy from 25 yards every time. At this point it doesn’t matter if your arrowhead is Firmino or Benteke or Ben fucking Nevis. Half-decent defences are generally quite cool defending leads against teams that don’t possess a midfield runner, or pretty much anyone prepared to take a risk to try to beat a man, or gamble on a box run, or do any of the things that are usually considered essential to scoring goals. Even this horrendously shite Man Utd side get people in the box when they are looking to retrieve a game. Having a Daniel Sturridge in the team increases your chances of getting a goal like Vardy’s first, but these are still rare feats even for the best goal-scorers. A Daniel Sutrridge playing in this current team likely leaves the pitch tonight frustrated at the lack of service and support that our insipid creative forces provided. The one hope is that the presence of a Sturridge is the catalyst for a change in approach and attitude the sees the right sorts of chances falling to the right sort of player. I’d say the chances of that are 50/50 at best (with the chances of Sturridge actually appearing being much less than that).
Brownie, excellent point about our midfielders looking busy in the ‘middle’ areas without looking dangerous or anything.
Last night, whenever we had corners, I yawned, because we were highly unlikely to score from corners or set piece at all; and we were not doing anything dangerous in build up play at all. Bobby was disappointing. Not trying enough.
In office setting, this ‘company’ has just too many paper-pushers who are just passing the bucks. No one really took the issue and lead with character, unfortunately.
Was Ferguson right after all ? I can’t think of a more sickening ending to the season if we discover Hendo is done for. He must be beside himself with worry – good luck to him.
Strikers. Simples. Minimise errors. Should be a given in PL – I’m convinced there must be an OPTA stay on ‘error strewnness’ we must be wining that league surely ?
Neil, should have left earlier than 85th Min.
we had possession %. we controlled the match….I thought. But I didn’t expect us to score. Countless corners wasted..and half hearted attacking movements. We never looked like scoring. Just passing the responsibility, it seemed.
The kids against Westham looked more like scoring.
No leader in the team. No character today. We threw in the towel too early.
Joe Allen, Ojo, Brenningan, Texiera, Stewart to start, I hope.
Apart from Clyne tonight, everyone else were really “soft”.
I hope to see a new team on Saturday.
Wow, woe. We never looked like scoring, I didn’t ever, once, get excited because deep down, in my waters, I knew it wouldn’t happen. Surreal experience.
Time, if possible, change the line-up now. As many have said Can looks done, Hendo is in name only, Milner … ?
As for the defence Sakho looks about 70 % fit. Good luck up front, I have no magic wand. The team, the plan, the everything needs a shake up.
Sorry, I know it’s a game of opinions and all that, but the comments criticising the defence are a fucking joke. Not because our defence is like Milan 90 revisited, but because we lost to a 2 freak goals that none of the defenders or keeper could do jack-shit to prevent. To criticise a defence in such circumstance is like criticising a forward line that has 10 attempts on target but meets a keeper having the night of his career.
Our defence can be improved, but I can thing of a few other things that should head the ‘things that can be improved’ queue.
How is that second goal not preventable? You’re taught as a kid not to let the ball bounce yet Sakho does it every week.
Lovren’s sleeping for the deflection as well but can’t be too harsh on him there, a striker is always likely to react quicker.
You can’t get to *every* ball before it bounces. Even if you want to criticise for that, 99 times out of 100 this ‘error’ does not lead to a goal. The second is pure freak. The chances that the deflection takes a course that is just wide enough of Lovren but perfect for the fastest player in the EPL are minute.
We didn’t lose that game because we can’t defend. But one of the reasons we didn’t win it is that we can’t score.
99 times out of 100? Sakho has done it twice – last night and Norwich – and both resulted in goals. Another ref gives 2 pens in those games as well.
If sakho is seriously considered the best we have and the one to take the defence forward – then we’re fucked.
Its his second season and he looks nearer to justifying why PSG let him go than why we bought him.
have to agree with Brett Curtis on the defending 101. (I thought these are some basic skill that is taught at very early at academy level?)
Totally disagree Brownie. They should never have scored the second. What Sakho was doing I’ve no idea. You don’t let the ball bounce over your head at that level. Unforgivable. He did it more it more than once too. I’m gobsmacked.
Aside, Can was at fault for the first in a roundabout way. I’ve been saying it for time, Can loses possession too cheaply. I’m shocked to the core from what I saw of him tonight. I’ve thought for a number of weeks Klopp has got it very wrong. If a player is in form you’ve got a duty to play him till his form drops. If one of the player keeping him out is Emre Can then it’s bordering on negligence. I’m presuming he’s keeping Allen out due to him being taller to win headers. Jesus Christ! I’ve never seen a man so big be so scared to put his head in. He either backs off or goes in with his foot and gives away a free kick. I can’t believe no one has commented on his lack of fight.
Kristian Walsh wrote an interesting piece last week about our two sides (cup and league) and how they could merge into one first team. Forget watching individuals and look at what a player brings to the team. Moreno should not be in that first team. You can’t play Lucas, Can and Milner. One of them has to go for Allen. Does Klopp not see the difference in our tempo when he comes on. Not saying Allen is brilliant but he benefits the team more than Can. I think it’s a worrying development.
With you there crimes
Jallen and Lucas: we can at least trust them not to give away possession cheaply.
Can — won’t write him off just yet; Maybe too many games for this boy too fast too soon? I hope he learns from all these mistakes and grow into the key midfielder for us (and decision making improves too, I hope). Well, Klopp is the best teacher for such case, I guess.
If we mix the two teams as you mentioned, my choice would be:
Mig, Clyne, Lovren, Sakho, Flanno, xxxxx and whoever is fit : -)
haha. defo not writing him off mate. think it’s very possible he’s got a bright future. i just thought that last night he didn’t want to mess his hair up going in for 50 50 balls. in the first 15 mins of the 2nd half i was astounded at how many duels he pulled out of.
Robin: the “best” matches I have seen in recent times were played by Lucas (at the base) and Allen and Hendo ahead of him, in diamond.
Agree with you that Lucas/Can/Milner just do not work; It was the same whenever paired StevieG and Lucas (StevieG as Pirlo and Lucas ahead of him???).
With you there. I always remember how they ran rings around a very good City team away in 2013/14 (despite us ultimately losing) and then wonder why it hasn’t happened more often since.
I can only think that Jurgen is playing Can with an eye to develop him for the future as at this stage he makes so many poor decisions. I thought that once Stevie retired we would be able to get a more functional midfield going, but Klopp insisting on playing Can feels kind of similar.
Spot on Neil, this is our marker and what we need to measure against for the remainder of this season. Did we ever look like winning this game ? No, we were a poor second all over the pitch. Far too many within this team are not good enough to play for a top of the table team. This squad has mid table studded through it.
We are lucky to have a manager of such class and we are going to need to be patient again, whilst he puts it right. Let’s enjoy the cups and see where they can take us, 4th is well gone in the league and I am usually a real optimist.
Our passing, shooting and running/movement off the ball are shite. Really shite. Depressingly shite.
Everyone in this team who isn’t a keeper or centre-half wants to operate in that space between the half-way line and the edge of the opposition box. I call it the ‘busy doing nothing’ sector.
Seems that way. Even our £32m striker.
When it gets to this stage you start to accept that we are simply not good enough.Anywhere on the pitch!
This seems like a group of players who have impressed by simply having the ability to play a pass close to one of their own shirts.And when they’ve managed to do that they seem to think “job done!”
They don’t show any signs of intelligent movement or positioning.And if they haven’t got that you’re flogging a dead horse!
I’d love to feel more optimistic.But at the moment they look like a team of Sunday League players.And I think I’m being unfair on some Sunday League players in saying that.
Maybe we just need a couple of absentees to return?
I wanted Leicester to win today. Our season’s over. Maybe our defeatist mindset will be too, if we watch them claim a title this season?
Can people just forget about Sturridge, and Henderson – who at his best is barely a squad player on a good team?
Is it 5 wins from 15 in the league? Klopp has to take some of that. He persists with this same shite lineup that has no goals and players who just don’t get the job done.
Give the kids a chance or at least explain why not.
Not that bit about Hendo being shite.
Vardy scores without any ‘range-finder’ shots. Our shooters : Moreno,Lucas (!) , Lallana. Lord above.
Leicester tonight were like us two years ago….loads of energy and no cup runs. Vardey isn’t Suarez but his goals are very similar. A natural finisher. Despite everyone’s frustrations with Liverpool – what an achievement it will be if Leicester win the league.
Yeah, that’s right. I’ve posted the same before: Vardy is Suarez-lite. Just look at his goals tonight.
At half time I thought to myself, if we don’t win this then Moreno has to take a fair share of the blame. He should be fined his wages for that shot before half time. He’s payed to play for our team not himself.
Ha, beat me to it. I’ve never known anything like it. I don’t even think he was being selfish btw. He really is just an imbecile.
My thought went back to Sweepstake immediately: three/four reds were ready to roll the ball into the net; Similar to Norwich double penalty incident….
I honestly think Moreno attempting to leather the everloving shit out of it top bin and near post at the same time* first half replaces Gerrard slipping against Chelsea in my nightmares. Fucking… Fuck me.
Think we need 18 points out of the last 14 league games to equal Kenny’s 2012 tally and I’m honestly not sure we’ve got enough to us to get there. I’m amazed we ever even nearly did it in 2014 when we’ve spent the past 7 years selling all world class players with no intention of replacing them with anywhere near the level of talent. We deserve the position we’re in.
If Klopp succeeds here after inheriting players signed by a seemingly untouchable committee of transfer gobshites put in place by owners who deep down couldn’t care less he’s undoubtedly one of the all time managerial greats.
* Seriously though, what and why? Carragher strangled Arbeloa for much less on the stupidity front. I can’t stop thinking about it.
That reads weird because I’m in a ‘Leicester still 3 points ahead and 16 ahead of us’ induced frenzy. By did ‘it’ I don’t mean 52 points obvs.
Let the weeping and gnashing of teeth begin. The airing of the grievances!
We seem to be in an existentialist funk. Or maybe we’re just not that good. The fact is that while I love Klopp, writing off the league table on February 3 isn’t good. Losing games in this fashion is becoming a bad habit and while Brendan’s self-regard was out front when he was banging on about pacing his kitchen a year ago in an effort to turn things around, at least there was evidence on the pitch of *something* being done to arrest the slide. There’s obviously more to JK then festive bonhomie, but it’s about time we saw some of it.
Yes we need key players back but how about doing something to extract some form from Benteke? Mixing up the personnel a bit more for these games? Varying the style a bit? Just something.
I’m worried about the Henderson situation, while much of the playing staff currently available is a rollover jacket of transfer folly. We need some serious, nailed-on star power in the summer. Til then let’s see a shake-up and try and bag a few cups. In the meantime this kind of dispiriting stuff needs binning.
Rollover jackpot. I don’t know what a rollover jacket is.
Sometimes 2 lovely people get married and then get divorced. It is not an aberration on either party, the simple fact would be coz they were never meant to be.
Liverpool is a wonderful club, Jurgen Klopp is a wonderful manager, maybe the two were just never meant to be.
Had me a good laugh at this. If it’s not a joke then I despair because this is a cracking website, not the sort that should be exposed to such knee-jerking. That kind of thing is what you see on .tv
The worst thing about it all is the Utd result, and their lackluster but ultimately pragmatic pursuit of the top four. That’s done for us. Spurs lapped us seasons ago.
I agree with a lot of the points made here. I’m going to take a step back and give the rebuilding process time to work, and root for the side with that in mind. But part of me is resorting to a “please make it stop,” piteous cry in a fetal position.
With all the harrying about and pressing this side has forgot how to play with nous. Some of the play is just downright boneheaded, because pressing relies on reaction, and often does not allow for composed play. There needs to be a midfield maestro. And there needs to be a finisher.
And I need a drink.
I had a drink immediately after Leicester 2nd goal;
and I knew that we are in trouble when I was hoping for JAllen to come in and score a hattrick to rescue the match. (I love JAllen and really wanted him to start ahead of Can, but I am also realistic enough to know he is no Messi).
The guy has barely been in a job for 4 months and people are saying Klopp and Liverpool are “never meant to be”? Goodness
First of all, Leicester are top, and
Worth it. Second, Rodgers had HIS full squad available at the beginning of the season, whereas Klopp
has only half of Rodgers squad available.
And third, half the bloody league bought strikers in the window, and some bought keepers.
And final point: whe we look
forward to Lovren being back from injury – LOVREN!! – then something is up.
Codicil; You can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear when all you have is a pig’s arse.
Klopp will put it right! It still hurts now tho. No pain no gain, let’s hope.
Maybe Klopp will put it right, I really hope he does but we should not be this bad.
Brendan was never this bad, 3 successive games at Anfield and ZERO goals. I cant remember the last time we won at Anfield without enquiring from OPTA or google.
Next game versus Sunderland at Anfield, can someone truthfully and with certainty say that we will definitely win that game. I thnk we will score though.
He had a worse half season start than Hodgson and that’s after spending 100 million. Then the 6-1 at Stoke
There was a reason why he was sacked and it was entirely justified, he cannot complain as we’ve given him all the resources and time to prove himself
Brendan was no better, but no worse either. Klopp’s overall record, since the end of the 2013/2014 season has been woeful. Very few coaches come back from such an extensive poor spell of results.
For every Ferguson/Mourinho, there’s dozens of coaches who put together a few consecutive amazing seasons together before fading into obscurity.
I wouldn’t completely write Klopp off, but the numbers aren’t looking good for him (or us).
If you selectively pick out which period of a manager’s career you’re gonna scrutinized then numbers don’t look great for most managers
He has proven he can do it with two Bundesligas and a CL final with some cups, he has not spent any money on any player that’s been added to the squad right now. Yet people are comparing him with Rodgers?
Honestly so many Liverpool fans are part of the problem with their kneejerking and doomsdayism at the drop of a hat. Keep your bloody heads
If Klopp can’t put it right then nobody can. Not that I think he’s the greatest manager in the world but he is having to deal
with half of a poorly recruited squad assembled by a bunch of clowns overseen by an incompetent poseur. Glaring problems ignored for two seasons, a shitload of money spent on ‘promising’ players with absolutely no idea how they would fit in, many played hopelessly out of position and others ignored or shunted out on loan without being tried.
This. It’s the last chance saloon.
Spot on, Kevin. I really rate Klopp the best now; and he will come good for us; He had a 4-4 record against Pep (who was managing a better resourced team); Klopp also had a better record against Jose (or so I read); BELIEVE!!!
It all started at Balotelli or Eto and on it goes for 1.5 seasons and counting.
Who’s leaving this year, Coutinho. Good luck replacing that kind of creativity.
Looks like the only place to pin the blame now is FSG. The last man standing.
There’s no way you are going to get the players you need with out the champions league. All of this leaves me with very bad feeling.
Moreno looks like he was the first ever victim of the head/brain shrinking mosquito and plays like it as well.
His decision making is enough to induce mania in me.
Milner is conducting experiments on the various of methods of executing extremely low velocity corner kicks into the box. Can, Moreno and Lucas are in the midst of a kick-into-the-stands contest (Coutinho is currently in the lead though he insists he isn’t playing); Emre is in fourth because he occasionally forgets and aims for shins instead.
I have to give credit to Milner. The poor guys gets clocked once a game, lies there in a heap for a few moments, gets back up and gets going. Doesn’t seem to have unbreakable creative bone in his body. No, that’s harsh. He did have that amazing free kick once https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQVN464TpSo
I just don’t understand how, in 3 years the club has not bought a single striker that didn’t have me thinking “no, don’t get upset. he could turn out okay.” I am actually missing Maxi Rodriguez and we has a winger!
Remember when we beat Southampton 6 to 1? Klopp is a chef that needs one really sharp knife (ala Sturridge) to spark something. Could still happen and rally would be on (not for 4th , of course) but to provide some momentum and spring-time smiles.
Cheer up Prof. Sturridge will be back next week; Origi and Ing will come good for us. And we will have expensive, but ok, Plan B in our 32mil man….(at least, this Plan B, in my opinion, is an upgrade from Rickie last season).
Maybe if Moreno took a shot he could take a shot.
Fuck – most depressing commute in ever. Only consolation is tone and intelligence of bulk of this conversation.
I’m afraid we should be expecting results from Klopp by now – likely that he hasn’t established a managerial rythym to fit into the our season (and OUR season in top of that)
Has there ever been quite so open mocking and sarcasm of the EPL set up ? Imagine what he says to his little German friends offine ;)
Maybe they’re wondering quite what the hell they got themselves into
I left at 90. I’d been distracted by a wee girl sat in front playing Mario Bros or something on her ipad for the final 5 minutes. Summed it up.
The only solace from this game is that we see it is possible to turn around a club from losers to winners and it doesn’t take 5 years to do it.
Leicester did everything I would want to see Liverpool do. They did it with what anyone would view as a team of scruffs. But they did it and good luck to them.
No more 5 year projects please.
Great goal. Pathetic reaction.
Oh and they upped the f*cking prices! If it wasn’t for Klopp I’d pack it in.
I’ve said for a while, Klopp is the only good thing about the club presently.
Moreno is one of the worst players I’ve ever seen in a red shirt. How he keeps his place Klopp only knows.
Major re-build for Klopp in virtually every position. But will he be given the money, real big money? I’m starting to think he won’t. We’ve wasted so much money, and who would want to come to a struggling team next season anyway. FSG are sucking the life out of the Club, and need to go.
Can barely be arsed watching the league games anymore. Might pack them in till next season and just watch the cups.
Jurgen must stop telling the players they are tired, they are starting to believe him. Most of the team last night didn’t play against West Ham. We have so many fixtures simply because we are still in so many competitions, but isn’t that the aim? He is going to have to accept that if he is going to manage in this country. Stop moaning about tiredness and fixtures and sort the defence out. Incidentally we didn’t lose to two freak goals last night. Vardy spotted Mignolet standing way off his line. If Luis had scored that goal for us we would be raving about it. We lost to a team that worked as least as hard as us and were organised from back to front.
Its all fine. Klöpp is sharpening the blade on the First Team side-show. By playing the mid-table Big Players in the Barclays Premier League he is giving the artist shite like AL and Guv’nor fantasists like DL,MS,MS as much rope as they need to hang themselves.
The cups are where Klöpp is gardening now. The youth. Ready to learn, without fear, who don’t think they’ve already made it. Unike Christ-ing england’s cocking Adam Lallana.
Embarrassing stuff here from Mel and The Lady In The Van.
Klopp’s been here 2 minutes, had 40 injuries and a game every 9 hours. He’s not spent a single penny and had no time with the lads in training. He’s already reached a Cup final and delivered a massive result at the toughest ground to go to in the league. He’s a proven winner and despite appearances is absolutely ruthless in getting rid of dross. At Dortmund in his first 2 summer’s in charge he got rid of many players. He’ll do that here. He’s a proven winner and without a single (healthy, available) world class player at the club (something no manager of LFC has had to deal with for decades) he is the only thing keeping those of us with a brain relatively optimistic.
The knee jerk bullshit needs to stop.
with you on this, Neil.
Can is a great player,unfortunately only in his own head.Moreno drives me to distraction,as do many of the other spineless farts in the side.
Shocking that we didn’t at least bring a couple of players in on loan at least to try and strengthen the side.Mignolets new contract as well as that and the ticket price increase as really done my head in recently.
I hope Klopp is the one that eventually tells the truth about these owners and the farcical transfer policy.
Klopp is a good guy and has brought a feelgood factor to the club which makes these defeats harder to bear and comprehend.
But if you look at his last 2 league seasons:
P 58 W 22 D 14 L 22 GF77 GA76
We’re basically where he left Dortmund last summer. A Dortmund side which has really picked up again this season.
Not sure if its relevant but worth noting when thinking Klopp will solve all the problems…
Don’t expect any thanks for being a canary in the coalmine, regarding Klopp’s record. People will tell you that looking at just 58 games is a knee-jerk reaction. They’ll accuse you of supporting another team, Everton or Chelsea usually.
After all, they aren’t his players and every other manager in the league is allowed to come in, sell the whole squad and start again with a blank cheque. They are not expected to get the current players playing any better.
Support for the Dear Leader must be unquestioning.
It’s just about being ‘the first’ to call out Klopp, not much else. Calling him into question after this amount of time just holds no weight.
I can’t for the life of me understand why Allen is not starting ahead of Hendo (and that is from someone who is not a great Allen fan and thinks anyone who doesn’t rate Hendo is a muppet). I can’t for the life of me understand why Smith is not starting ahead of Moreno. I can’t for the life of me understand why with 6 central mids on the pitch and another on the bench we also need Tex there ahead of Ojo. I can’t for the life of me understand what people don’t get about our injury situation. Or why having taken us to a final at the first time of asking, people are throwing their toys to about Klopp already.
I think he is effectively drilling them in his routines on the pitch. He’s sticking with the same core to get it right, and sacrificing results as a consequence. And its showing its taking a lot of time and effort to make it work, especially the way everyone if fighting this season.
Its not ideal, but when else can he work with them? But it should make pre-season easier and therefore into next season in much better shape.
I think you are spot on here. I’ve finally calmed down to be able to trust myself to not sound like an advanced Tourette’s sufferer. I think that this is what he has been doing precisely. It’s the only explanation I can see given Klopp’s obvious abilities. And his previously proven ruthlessness when necessary at Dortmund. I expect to see ongoing integration of the ” shadow ” squad in the matches to come and some savage pruning of deadwood in the summer. It’s seriously grim boys and girls!, and as others have said we’re getting dangerously near the Last Chance Saloon.
excellent point, both; although I have not been able to calm myself down yet.
Interesting perspective and makes sense even if one doesn’t agree.
Firmino really pissed me off tonight. I’ve given up expecting our players to show quality but the minimum I expect is 100% effort for 90 minutes. The shithousery from him last night was absolutely unacceptable. I’ve backed him from the start even with some of his woeful performances early doors but the amount of times he didn’t put a foot in where he should of or put a half-hearted challenge in when he could have won it was unforgivable.
As for the rest of them, it’s getting really, really hard to watch at the moment. I turned it off on 85 too as watching this laborious, ponderous attempt at football is bad for the soul and I’m considering making plans for Saturday so I don’t have to sit through anything similar.
And Moreno – for a professional, top level footballer to have THAT many opportunities in dangerous areas and not create a single chance is absolutely shocking. I’m sure most of the commenters on here could have at least delivered one decent cross with the deluge of chances he had but not one was good enough. Damning.
Thoroughly depressed. Hell of a strike though.
Bobby: I made similar comment about him a few weeks back when he seem to be just giving 70-80%; then he started creating and scoring. Was really frustrated with him commitment last night, yet again. Pulled out from 50-50 tackle, again. During his time with us, Garcia lost the balls but he was trying all the little tricks for the team (I think); and Garcia did not throw in the towel early; But Bobby really disappointed me last night (even more so than other sub par players).