AFTER Liverpool’s 0-0 draw with Arsenal Neil Atkinson hosts Gareth Roberts, Ben Sharples and Ian Salmon to talk about that game of two halves at the Emirates, along with the ongoing discussion around Lucas Leiva’s future.
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Great show! I think this season is going to turn our collective clown frown upside down. My one thought is on Firmino. He completed the most dribbles of any player on the pitch, laid that perfect cross for Ben, and was up for his individual battles. I think he rose to the occasion. Thus, I’m a little more bullish on his performance than those on the Wrap, however I agree in the main about what was said. I think we’d be singing his praises more if Ben would have converted that cross. Definitely the best 0-0 I’ve ever seen. Thanks again for a totally engrossing cast!
Agreed. He showed a lot of promise. Tonnes of pace too. He’ll be a real threat as the season develops. He offered more in 61 mins or so than Lallana or Ibe have in the previous 2 games. Ibe will get better, I do wonder about Lallana though.
Please stop with the TAW “highlights” in the middle of the podcast. They are distruptive. If you insist that they be there, tack them on at the end, instead.
Agreed, its not ideal (see below). I’m sure there’s a science to it, but it is disruptive.
Good show but the bonus Heaton was a bit of a shock! I was just about to fall asleep.
I agree with most of the points raised, though would caution against the re-writing history. Whilst there are many who’ll never be happy as long as Brendan Rodgers remains our manager, there are those who support him but raise legitimate questions. Many of those who argued that he couldn’t organise a defence were responding to evidence not prejudice. He singularly failed to send out a balanced team in his first three years. There could, of course, have been any number of mitigating circumstances, but you can’t just gloss over it: it happened. It looks as though he’s learned from his earlier errors by adopting a more pragmatic approach this season, more Rafa/Mourinho than Brendan’s Mark I and II. Good luck to him. More power to his elbow I say. But let’s not pretend his critics didn’t have a point.
At some point, perhaps after a few more (positive) games and results, the impact (the specific impact) of the new assistants to our play should be probed and discussed.
From my p.o.v, anyone who does not see that there’s a more “Rafa-like” feel to our play (with quite exact instructions as to e.g. where low crosses should be aimed, quite clear ‘trigger’ points, etc) is not really paying attention. To conclude that this is just BR ‘maturing’ is a bit much. There is an obvious difference in our coaching STAFF.
Agreed. There’s been a clear change of strategy. For the media: Kenny impersonations. On the pitch Rafa impersonations. Don’t know where it comes from though. Barney Ronay wrote a good piece in The Guardian suggesting that it’s now Brendan’s team: his signings, no Gerrard, no Balo, no Sterling. Lucas and Skrtl are the only players left over from Rafa’s days. That may explain the difference for better or worse more than the new assistants. We’ll see in the fullness of time.
So this is the new angle then, that any improvements we see this season are down to Sean O’Driscoll. I’m sure O’Driscoll is doing a great job as assistant and deserves his fair share of the credit for our performances but claiming that he has brought the “Rafa-like” approach doesn’t really seem to fit with the reports that O’Driscoll was just as attacking a manager as Rodgers in the lower leagues. The defensive approach is probably down to having the players to pull it off, especially with the addition of Benteke’s hold up play.
That said, I have been very encouraged to see O’Driscoll approach Rodgers in the technical area to give suggestions on quite a few occasions. I remember seeing Rodgers coming back to the bench to discuss things with Pascoe and Marsh but it looking like they weren’t contributing very much. O’Driscoll definitely looks like someone who is enjoying being involved and could take the weight off Rodgers shoulders when the season gets hectic.
When to use “amount of” and when to use “number of”:
If you would ask “How much?” then use “amount of”.
If you would ask “How many” then use “number of”.
So, chances, goals, headers, shots, midfielders, strikers, forwards, defenders, right-backs, left-backs, center-halves, free-kicks, short corner-kicks, set-plays, triggers, times, people, fans, etc . . . it’s “number of”.
On the other hand, time, patience, possession, attacking intent, defensive organization, resilience, madness, bravado, etc . . . it’s “amount of”.
Cheers! :-)
It’s a conversation about football, not an English Language lecture, mate. People talk how they talk, we’re hardly going to start giving out rules before we press record are we? All the best. Gareth.
Yes, but what you could possibly do in the future, is maybe take in the correct advice you’ve politely been given there, instead of immediately being condescending and defensive about your improper use of grammar.
Sorry, who is being condescending?
Ladies and gentlemen, in the red corner, weighing a solid ton of bullshit, representing the Anfield Wrap, it’s their trusted champion, give it up for… Tom C!!!!
Who’s being condescending? “All the best” Gareth, that’s who. Anytime anyone from TAW staff responds to a comment that doesn’t begin with “Great article. I totally agree with everything you say and do.”, they’re being condescending, defensive, and quite a few times insulting about it.
But also, I do completely understand how you’re not seeing it, so I’m not going to bother explaining it to you any further, trying to change your opinions or impose mine on you. I respect your fanboyism. Peace.
And in the blue corner we have the mystery contributor who pops up under a host different poorly chosen aliases (honestly ‘Velimir’, what is that meant to be, Polish?) but always with the same smug, whiny tone and erratic logic that you could pick if he was writing in Greek. Quick to take a swing at Rodgers’ personality/teeth but if we are playing well will settle for a go at the guys from the show instead.
You obviously think yourself pretty hot shit given your references to PhDs and lecturing people on the finer points of English grammar. So surely there is a better use of your time rather than trying to disrupt the discussions on these forums.
That I post under multiple aliases is beyond ridiculous, but I guess, I can’t exactly prove it, so have that if you’d like.
I will ask you, if you wouldn’t mind, to link to a comment, just one, where I take swings at BR on account of his teeth or personality (and since personality is a bit broad of a subject, it needs to be something unrelated to the actual football that his team has played. Like, for example, if I say he comes of as a bonehead for calling Ramsey for offside, because his shirt was, or for praising a linesman for ignoring a clear rule, however new and recently improved, which all conveniently went to our favor – that doesn’t count. It has to be me disputing his ability as manager on account of his personal life. I believe that’s what you mean when calling me on criticizing him for his personality.)
You do that and you have your pick, I’ll claim whatever other alias you think I post under, I’ll stop commenting altogether, I’ll only post in agreement with whatever your point of view might be that particular week, anything you’d like. Just do the simple thing of pointing me to that comment.
I’m surprised that, since you have me so figured out, you can’t seem to grasp that my problem is with the attitudes of TAW and commenters like you – the attitude of dismissal towards any and all others who’ll dare to express any sort of feeling towards the club, owners, manager, players, that doesn’t coincide with the consensus reached on TAW Player shows or articles on the website.
As for Rodgers, I’m behind the guy. I want him as manager, if nothing, than at least, until the end of this season, and I’m an LFC fan, so I want him to be successful. I will reserve the right to be unhappy when our attacking play is under par. Clean sheets are all well and good, but I want goals, or specifically the show of ability to score goals. Deal with it. The Arsenal game was amazing to me, even if it wasn’t three points, even if Ramsey’s goal had stood, that first half, we were excellent. Now, if at home, vs West Ham, we play like we did at Stoke or against Bournemouth, create close to nothing, but get three points on account of a single piece of magic, or a lucky refereeing mistake, I’ll criticize again. Deal with it.
I’m definitely not going to go through the crap you have posted on this site a second time through, it was bad enough on the first pass. The thing above all else that doesn’t make sense is given your “problem with the attitudes of the guys on the show or the commentators such as myself”, is why are you here? If you have to state that you are a “LFC fan” then that is pretty telling.
Just to be clear, I have absolutely no problem with people criticising Rodgers’ decisions. I for one didn’t agree with him dropping Lucas for Gerrard in 13/14 or Sakho for Lovren this year (although hindsight always provides a different perspective), and of course he makes his fair share of mistakes from game to game (e.g. first 20 min at home to Man U last season). However, if you have to hang on an answer he used in a press conference to diffuse a stupid question that is designed to create controversial headline in order to damn him then you are getting pretty desperate.
You don’t want to re-read my posts, that’s fair enough. But the fact is you wouldn’t be able to find the comment I asked you to. I don’t know how to provide proof of its absence. Now given that you’ve described me as something I am not, you can either provide this comment and expose me for what you think I am, or acknowledge the fact that you’re exactly the kind of person I have a problem with and make reference to in regards to “the attitudes of the guys on the show or the commentators such as yourself”.
The proof of what a colossal tit of an LFC fan and TAW listener you are is right above this discussion, where your response to somebody’s opinion, which doesn’t attack anyone, but simply provides a different point of view, is to immediately label it as a “new angle” from what I assume are the type of people you accuse me of being one of.
You’re the one with an agenda, pal. But your arguments are weak and all you do is wildly accuse and draw baseless conclusions. It’s just a shame that too few are able to see it, probably because there are so many like you in these comments, which if you’ll remember, is my original point.
So be gone, you miserable bastard. Don’t engage me anymore, because you repel me.
I couldn’t really care how strong my arguments are as I am not on here to impress anyone, just engage in an interesting discussion about football and hopefully learn something. So if you could enlighten me on why they are weak that would lead to much more enlightening discussion than whether the guys on the show are using countable nouns properly or not.
I don’t need you to prove anything to me, it is clear as day you are the same tit who keeps getting blocked by the TAW guys, picks a new name (or two) and then thinks we won’t notice when he spouts the same old bullshit. In case you haven’t noticed, everyone has a distinct style of writing that comes through after a few paragraphs, and given the volume of posts you have regurgitated on this site we are all (unfortunately) very familiar with yours.
Begone yourself, you miserable troll.
Your 1st post: You engage me.
Your 2nd post: “Quick to take a swing at Rodgers’ personality/teeth” – When? Where?
Your 3rd post: “if you have to hang on an answer he used in a press conference” – Taken completely out of context from a post in which I express my support for the manager.
Your 4th post: “would lead to much more enlightening discussion than whether the guys on the show are using countable nouns properly or not” – As much as you want to believe it, I’m not TheOriginal Grkstav. I was pointing out a very different thing. It just stemmed from Gareth’s response to Grkstav’s quite correct observation.
Weak.
Your 1st post: You engage me.
Your 2nd post: “the mystery contributor who pops up under a host different poorly chosen aliases”
Your 3rd post: “If you have to state that you are a “LFC fan” then that is pretty telling.”
Your 4th post: “keeps getting blocked by the TAW guys, picks a new name (or two) and then thinks we won’t notice when he spouts the same old bullshit”
Agenda.
Just find me a comment in which I call for the manager’s head. It doesn’t have to be become of his teeth, find one where I call for his sacking. And you win.
P.S. Velimir is meant to be my actual first name.
Keep digging.
Clever.
People with grammar issues never admit it. They get very defensive, rather than a simple, “Thanks, mate. Didn’t know that.” I’d rather be corrected so I don’t repeat the same mistakes, most will tell you to fuck off, though. It’s shocking how poor language skills are for so many native speakers, making mistakes that should have been addressed by the time they completed the first year of secondary school (or year 7 in new parlance).
Just look how many use “of” instead of “have”, and cock-up too/to, and in written pieces, not just prat-talk in forums.
I think it was the spoken word on a free podcast and not the written word that someone had an issue with.
To be honest, it’s just a bunch of fellas yapping about football. Deal with it. Maybe the AnfieldWrap lads should invite Colin Firth, Benedict Cumberbatch and Eddie Redmayne to talk a bit of footy on a podcast like.
Hi Velimir, so I should get in touch with everyone who appeared on a podcast to discuss their spoken grammar and advise them to change in future?
I’m sure if you stopped and had a think about the practicalities of this, you’d soon realise that it’s a bit of a no-go.
Thanks anyway.
Gareth.
You could. If their spoken grammar improves, how is that a bad thing?
But that wasn’t my point actually. It was the manner of your response, and also the way in which you generally interact with your listeners and readership here.
But, if it makes you feel better, I do understand how much of an impracticality it would be to have to call your guests ahead of time for a lesson in grammar, I was so completely wrong to even suggest such a thing and I apologize.
Now excuse while I get back to Melissa’s new column. It’s a good one, it’s another one of those article on how all fans with any criticism are completely mental and we should try our hardest to make it so they’re not LFC fans anymore, preferably send them Chelsea’s way. Today’s topic: The fanbase has turned on Ibe, and there are many on Twitter (on Twitter? No way.) who seem to think Joe Gomez is shit.
All the best.
I’m not going to because it’s ridiculous. Thanks for the apology.
Have a great weekend, mate. Keep on reading TAW.
Gareth
I don’t see anything wrong with using the free podcasts to push the paywall stuff. Tacking it onto the end would make it less effective. Having said that, putting the ads at the start of each podcast would generate more subscriptions. Maybe, those who are moaning would find it less disruptive also? They can make a coffee, or whatever, if it bothers them but the site has to generate revenue.
As for Milner’s greatest achievement, nobody is talking about how Steven Gerrard has been carrying the team and is now being sorely missed.
How distressing this must be for Wapping’s finest! You can throw in all of the tv commentators as well. Milner has saved us from endless cliches about Liverpool being a drifting vessel without the doughty old sea dog at the wheel.
I can just imagine Patrick Barclay feeling very clever, while vacationing with the Hodgson’s this summer (Scilly Isles), when the rusty cogs in his bonce began to turn and he pictured his first ‘key article’ of the new campaign.
It’s almost a shame that Milner isn’t Spanish. How he would have choked on his cornflakes, when he got the morning call from his boss at the Evening Standard – demanding 1000 words on the bite and industry that ‘Milnera’ had brought in to Liverpool’s midfield!
Last week, he was warning Chelsea about getting excited over Pedro (and any other Carlos Kickaball).
“…but for every Arjen Robben, wrested from Sir Alex Ferguson’s clutches by the former United chief executive Peter Kenyon to become a key contributor to the successes of Jose Mourinho’s first spell at Stamford Bridge, there’s a John Obi Mikel.”
The imbecile is now self-flagellating on Twitter, cracking with his followers about the egg on his face. Pedro has played one game, but he scored and got an assist so as far as Barclay is concerned the guy is proven Premier League quality.
This is the standard of football journalism we have to deal with in the UK.
You ought to read the cricket journalism…….
Mikel was a vital cog in a couple of championship winning sides. The guy knows not of what he speaks (I’m being polite).
Great pod lads…on the discussion about the spirit and fight and difference to the back end of last year…How much do you think it’s down to the lads not being on the Stevie G farewell tour of England? Has a weight been lifted?
Was a cracking game and atmosphere at the Emirates was bouncing!
I don’t understand this business of do you start your best defensive midfielder. Was there ever any question Mascherano would start? It is players like Lukas and Mascherano who allow the more creative players to flourish.
Fucking hell. Bunch of lads get off their arses and put every ounce into making a thought provoking platform for reds to enjoy…..FREE and some cunts just squeem with bitterness and envy. Pedantic cunts, you’d be forgiven for thinking they were blue.