Neil, Stephanie Navarro, Rob Gutmann, Jim Boardman, Paul Machin and Nick O’Prey are in for this weeks edition of TAW as they chat about the draw against Chelsea and Luis Suarez’s dietery requirements.
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I have to big up Steph Navarro on the biting discussion; and whilst there was some intersting stuff around Suarez being the only exciting thing about LFC atm, to me it’s more that the fanbase scurry around making excuses for whatever LS does. Like Steph said, we are to a large extent, enablers of his behaviour (I’m guessing Steh is a mother, for the rest of the guys, what, if you have them, would you say to your kids if you caught them biting an opponent?). And that, ‘well he’s done it before’ thing really irks me…Fergie defended Cantona the first time he kicked the fan, but do you think he would’ve defended him had he done it again? Again, we seek so deep for any excuse to justify his behaviour.
One of the best thing this podcast does is it now and again communicates that profound message that ‘we might no longer be a great football team, but we haven’t forgotten what being great is….like with the ridicule of an Everton podcast discussing Benitez for 20 minutes, or them celeberating an England cap, or that Man U seem more happy at there betterment over us, than in the actual intrinsic joy of their victories. This fella’s is us forgetting what being a great football club is.
I’ll admit that part of my issue with this is it brings into question for me now the Evra gate thing. I argued and argued with my whole family for months on that, defending him (being someone who has lived for many years in Spain and Spanish speaking contries, and being mixed race I had a definite perspective on the word negritto for example). I now don’t believe his version of events, and if you listen to the things Evra said he said, it’s nasty stuff, it’s the kind of thing you get fired for saying in your place of work. and then what about the handshake, the gesture at the Fulham fans, the diving, the feigning injury…I said it before in a response to Jim’s article, it’s like we’re in this weird distopia where LFC fans are willing to defend Suarez anything, a murder spree, child abduction, anything.
I find it hard to imagine how any Liverpool fan can fail to think the ‘Rafa’ chants weren’t embarrassing. I was cringing. I thought Steph summed it up perfectly with the analogy of a man constantly talking about his ex.
I haven’t listened to the podcast yet so I my change my mind once I have, but I don’t agree that there was anything cringe-worthy about the ‘Rafa’ chants. The important context here is Chelsea.
The initial chanting by LFC fans was a genuine outpouring of affection and thanks, and well-merited it was, too. After that, it was as much about rubbing Chelsea fans’ noses in it as anything else. The CFC fans never stopped with their inane ‘We don’t care about Rafa’ chant and therefore the obvious response from LFC fans was to drown this out with their own supportive chanting.
If Rafa had returned to Anfield as manager of a Fulham side whose fans backed him, the chanting in support of Rafa would have pretty much ended once we kicked off.
And anyway, in this age of strife for LFC, when we don’t seem to be able to go 6 months without being front and back-page news for all the wrong reasons, I like the occasional reminder that LFC remains unique on the global stage. It’s probably true that you wouldn’t witness what happened at Anfield on Sunday anywhere else, but that’s the point: we *are* different.
I agree with some of that but we have to start looking to the future at some point. Away fans are right – we are obsessed with the past. The chants were fine. I was pleased Rafa knew what we think of him but it went on too long and my main grievance, it was embarrassing to Rodgers
Why are we, as Liverpudlians, more obsessed with the past than most?
Whilst I would accept that our record from the mid 60s to early 90s was illustrious to say the least, we have since then experienced success that most teams (other than United, Arsenal and Chelsea) would crave for.
I would argue that we are justifiably proud of our history – which extends pre the Sky TV age – and just because we reference it does not equate to an obsession.
My Evertonian family members still wax lyrical about Duncan, the semi v Bayern and the older ones about Davie Hickson.
And if you know your history, indeed………..
A repeat offense like this will probably get him about a 10 game ban. Fully deserved to be honest. Such a stupid immature thing todo…
Something disgraceful happened this week…
Jim Boardman, chicken on a pizza.
Honestly, a shameful bit of behaviour
Wow… Looks like I got it spot on. He’s been given a ten game ban.
That’s fine Mark if you look to the future too, or even the present. When it’s a continual harking back to the past………..well, read what psychologists say about that.
No chanting ragarding Rafa could ever be as embarrassing to me as hearing fellow ‘fans’ still backing the fat-headed Manc-loving buffoon we are stuck with.
If you gave Rodgers a million years and all the money in the world he still wouldn’t be able to set up a team, most notably a midfield.
What is point of passing the ball ad nauseum at the back in the name of not hoofing it, only to get closed down, arse-up possession and end up having to hoof it anyway!
Bloody hell, there are really still people who support this idoit???
The only people who support this snakeoil salesman are armchair fans. The sort of people who think Gary Neville is a quality pundit for stating the bleeding obvious.
You cannot possibly understand football unless you have played the game, no matter at what level.
With the exception of appointing Woy and Rodgers, sacking Rafa was the single stupidest thing this club has ever done.
Clap and cheer all you like for Brendon, Woy and any other clown these asset strippers bring in as a yes man while they steal all our money then sell us.
If you aren’t part of the solution; you are part of the problem.
There are far more people who want this idiot out of our club, along with Ayres and the asset-strippers than want to keep any of them.
You bunch of tools supporting Rodgers are not working with us for the good of LFC; you are working against us to LFC’s detriment.