AFTER weeks of obfuscation, shadow boxing, leak and brief, the waters of the Luis Suarez-Patrice Evra case finally broke this week, as the FA ended the phony war phase of this hitherto debacle and actually charged the Liverpool forward.
So begins the end game, and commences a nervous wait for those of a true red disposition. Where the fear begins and ends is difficult to fathom. Naturally there is the worry of the practical consequences for the Liverpool team that a potentially sizeable ban for Suarez would effect. Perhaps, though, there is a greater anxiety for supporters who may have yet have to face some demons in reconciling sporting partisanship with what could ultimately prove to be a straight forward moral issue.
That greatest of tenets of British justice, the presumption of innocence until proven guilty, is a luxury rarely afforded to those caught in modern media glare. Luis Suarez is finding this out the hard way. The British 4th Estate, whilst attempting to be seen to be treading sensitively in this case, are clearly, for whatever motive, loading the gun for the Football Association.
Thursday morning’s papers united (no conspiracy pun intended), in establishing a presumption of some level of guilt on Suarez’s part. The pre-judgement was largely masked in the mitigation immediately pleaded upon the player’s behalf, but then as equally swiftly debunked, so as to leave a the FA a clean run at vindicating their decision to now charge the Liverpool man.
Suarez, we were broadly assured, had included a racist word during the course of at least one altercation with Evra in the recent Liverpool-Man U clash at Anfield. This assertion was promptly qualified by references to possible confusion over the cultural nuances of the term used. It was possible, all conceded, that the alleged version of the ‘n’ word that Suarez chose, the Spanish word ‘negrito’, can be used in a non flammable context.
At this juncture, serious discussion of just how anodyne the term can be was surely merited. Instead the British press, near as dammit to a man, rushed to quell any reasonable case that there may be for interpreting ‘negrito’ as benign, by qualifying that as Suarez had made his claim in the heat of conflict with Evra that it looked kinda likely/defnitely that he must have, ya know, used the word in a nasty racist way.
Additionally, all papers have cited the 2003 case of Sheffield United’s John Mackie’s suspension for racially abusing a Reading player. Typically the media are seeking to put the two cases in the (ahem) correct perspective by assuring the FA that they needn’t feel the need to be as lenient with Suarez as they were with Mackie (who got a 6 match ban suspended to just 2 games). Why ? – because the honourable Mackie had fessed up to his slur straight after the match in question, unlike the shifty Suarez who still has the cheek to deny doing something that there is no evidence of him having actually done.
The rush to condemn Suarez pre-dates the FAs formal charge sheet being compiled. Earlier in the week, following evident briefings from the Manchester United camp that hinted at fears Evra may have got this one wrong, there were patronising and quasi racist references to Suarez’s ‘background’ – as in ‘to a player from Suarez’s background, the word negrito may not seem as offensive as it would be to a (liberal and educated) westerner’.
In short , the inference was – a peasant from some South American shanty town can’t really be expected to be aware of the sensitivities of racial politics, so we may have to let him away with it this time.
In the absence of balance from most of our journos, something of a serious redress is merited. So then, no apologies offered to those of a Mancunian persuasion if what follows seems shamelessly to be ‘a case for the defence’.
To the task in hand then – let’s get lawyerly on this have a good look at the issue of witnesses and their credibility. First up, it appears that there are only two of them, and those are the protagonists themselves. No one in a crowd of 45,000 heard Luis Suarez racially abuse Patrice Evra, nor did Evra’s team mates, nor the referee or linesmen. Indeed the ultimate witnesses, the myriad cameras around the ground, broadcasting the game to worldwide millions, did not capture anything for posterity or lip readers to contemplate.
So we are left with the two combatants on either side of a fierce and historic footballing rivalry. Suarez, the British press, have gleefully reminded their readership, has a chequered past. Well, truth is he doesn’t actually, aside from one incident in Holland where he attempted to bite an opponent whilst on the field of play. Granted it’s not a great asset to a CV, low level cannibalism, but it is the only ‘moral’ stain on his character. His other foibles are of a sporting nature and are ‘crimes’ routinely committed by a significant number of Suarez’s peers. We’re talking about the felonies of supposed ‘diving’ and one high profile hand ball incident in the World Cup.
However, as the Liverpool Echo noted on February 11th this year :
Less well publicised is Suarez’s charity work which took up much of his spare time in South Africa.
“I care about social inequality,” he said. “Whenever I can I love being active part of organisations that promote solidarity projects.
“Football has got this tremendous power of joining people, without any skin, religion and social discrimination.”
So, there is also a cuddlier Suarez who does some charity work and has gone out of his way to declare a commitment to fighting prejudice. Not proof positive of innocence but equally not the hallmarks of a casual racist. Indeed Suarez carries no baggage of this kind with him. He has played in multi-cultural leagues for many years, and has not come close to being accused of being a racist before. His slate, in this respect, is very clean.
What of Evra’s credibility then? He may be a stand up guy who looks out for even more orphans and charities than Suarez could ever dream of, but there are some central facts surrounding this case that don’t illuminate Evra well.
Firstly, despite his allegation of over 10 occasions worth of racist slurs being proffered by Suarez during the course of the match, he didn’t think it was once worth drawing such foul abuse to the attention of the match officials. Indeed he first chose to bring his being wronged to light in front of a French TV crew. Not the exactly the appropriate protocol for dealing with a serious situation he’d had plenty of time to reflect upon.
Furthermore, despite the availability of many witnesses (the crowd, the ref, the players, the cameras), the fact that none were able to corroborate any of Evra’s story suggests quite strongly that at the very least his claim that he was abused on so many different occasions has to at best be a gross exaggeration, and at worst an outright lie.
The ’10 times’ allegation is a key one. It is so plainly a distortion that it must clearly impact on Evra’s overall credibility and is especially light-weight in the wake of leaks concerning the nature of the supposedly offensive term that Suarez may have used.
Admissible or not Evra has had his credibility called into question in the recent past in a relatable incident. He vouched for a Manchester United colleague’s view that a Chelsea groundsman had uttered a racist epithet in his direction in a post match scuffle at Stamford Bridge in 2008.
Evra protested his innocence in the petty violence that ensued, insisting he ‘didn’t touch anybody’ when photographic evidence quite clearly suggested otherwise. Sam Bethell, the Chelsea employee, it was alleged, had called Evra a ‘fucking immigrant’. The FA subsequently banned Evra for 4 matches, exonerated Bethel, and noted that Evra’s evidence was simply not believable. This incident does not a serial false accuser make, but it does not enhance Evra’s standing on the stand.
Perhaps fearing that the Suarez-Evra affair had got somewhat out of control the Manchester United camp briefed away(as confirmed by Daniel Taylor of the Guardian) earlier in the week, pointing to Suarez’s use of the Spanish word ‘negrito’ as being at the route of Evra’s ire. ‘Negrito’ – a word not native to Evra’s French tongue, yet one riddled with a variance in meaning depending upon its application. Despite this, Evra did not once seek clarification of its potential racist intent with the referee.
Regardless of the true facts of this case, one assumes that Kenny Dalglish and LFC officials thoroughly debriefed Suarez and sought to glean his version of events in extensive detail. They must have been satisfied that he could confidently confirm that his use of an ‘n’ word (if he did even use such a word) was in no sense imbued with racist intent. Had there been any doubts surely the safe course of action would have been to persuade the player to confess he misunderstood the seriousness of a term and to apologise.
There, the matter should rest. If Suarez uses a word which he says was not intended as a racial slur and clearly is available to be used by the Spanish speaking without a racist intent, then who are the FA or anyone to contradict him ? It becomes a word against word conflict between Evra and Suarez. One says pota-toe the other po-tarto. One takes offense, the other assures none was intended.
The varying nuances of the word negrito, though, could become fundamental to this dispute. A CNN website piece from 17th November carries this observation from U.S. radio talk show host Fernando Espuelas, who originally hails from the Uruguay :
“It’s not a slur whatsoever,” said Espuelas, whose show often addresses racism in the Latino community. “It’s a term of endearment. You definitely would not use that if you were angry. It would sound ridiculous.”
More thoroughly, Wikipedia expands upon the breadth of interpretation of the word and highlights why calling it simply in one direction or other is no easy task :
In Spain, Mexico and almost all of Latin-America, negro means “black person” in colloquial situations, but it can be considered to be derogatory in other situations (as in English, “black” is often used to mean irregular or undesirable, as in “black market/mercado negro”). However, in Spanish-speaking countries such asArgentina, Chile, and Uruguay where there are few people of African origin and appearance, negro (negra for females) is commonly used to refer to partners, close friends[13] or people in general independent of skin color. In Venezuela the word negro is similarly used, despite its large African descent population.
It is similar to the use of the word “nigga” in urban communities in the United States. For example, one might say to a friend, ”Negro ¿Como andas? (literally “Hey, black one, how are you doing?”). In this case, the diminutive negrito is used, as a term of endearment meaning “pal”, “buddy” or “friend”. Negrito has come to be used to refer to a person of any ethnicity or color, and also can have a sentimental or romantic connotation similar to “sweetheart,” or “dear” in English.
Bottom line, then, it would seem, is that if Suarez says he meant no offence in his Uruguayan tongue by using the word negrito, who on earth are the Angles and Saxons at the FA to say differently ? This stands as something of an absolute position regardless of true intent. Evra too was simply not qualified to take offense at this word (or any other words spoken in Spanish), whether true intent was actually malicious or not.
Regardless of it transpiring that the Spanish word ‘negrito’ is the Rosetta Stone of this case or not, it seems likely that Luis Suarez will either be hung or exonerated by his own word. Without Suarez’s testimony Evra and Manchester United have no case as there appear to be no-one else willing to corroborate Evra’s version of events.
It is interesting to note that Suarez claimed, in his one interview on the matter, that he used a term that Evra’s team mates also use with the player. That’s some statement, as there is an implication that if Suarez is guilty of abusing Evra with a racist term, then maybe there’s a case for saying his United comrades also have a case to answer. At the very least one might ordinarily have expected United to formally rebut any suggestion that their players would use language which might be deemed racist.
Defending Suarez , it must be stressed, is not to relegate or underplay the importance and virtue in the wider game’s aim to ‘kick’ racism out of the sport. Of course that is laudable, but there is a need to re-iterate that in making a case for Suarez that there is not an underplaying of the significance of the problem and the ongoing vigilance required.
Players, coaches and fans have come a long way from heady days of 1970s and 80s ‘This is England’ Britain, when you could still go to the match for under a fiver, get a dodgy hot dog outside the ground for less than a quid, chuck a banana on the pitch in the direction of the opposition’s token black player, and still have change to buy the NF paper ‘the Flag’, on the way home.
Mercifully it seems a lifetime ago that Chelsea fans booed their own player, Paul Cannoville, just because of the colour of his skin. Fruit no longer gets thrown at black men on the fields of Anfield Road, and Goodison no more rocks to strains of ‘trigger, trigger, trigger, shoot that nigger’, when black footballers like Arsenal’s David Rocastle and Paul Davis roll into town.
Fortunately too we no longer have to endure the reminiscence of ex players in which they talk of the ‘chip on the shoulder’ that Liverpool’s first ever black footballer, Howard Gayle supposedly carried . No longer either do we need to hear managers and pundits reflecting that although an Englishman (of West Indian descent) such as Crystal Palace’s Vince Hilaire may be tearing it up in August, you just wait to see how he hides when our Russian-style winters set in.
The road to reasonableness has been long hard, and perhaps reassuringly we now watch a sport where allegations like we are seeing in the Suarez-Evra case are taken very seriously indeed. Sepp Blatter’s suggested remedy, that an old world hand shake and back slap, will suffice in quelling outbreaks of racist vitriol, will clearly not do.
Having noted this, surely the powers that be, at the FA in this case, must be equally vigilant that they do no belittle a noble struggle by witch hunting and gratuitous example-making. The football fan is not inherently stupid. He/she will see through tokenism, and will begin to lose respect for the motives of the worthiest of campaigns.
Suarez must remain innocent until guilt is proved, and he must surely enjoy the privilege of retaining that innocence until all reasonable doubt about it is removed. From what has been put out there, from all corners, thus far, it looks as though finding Luis Suarez unequivocally guilty should be no small undertaking. He has very reasonable doubt on his side, and it should remain a powerful ally, regardless of politics and partisanship.
18 November 2011 at 1:43 pm
Fantastic. A really strong article articulating everything that needs to be said. I’ve always thought that the FA would find a way to make both clubs feel vindicated in their defence whlst also being seen to be through. I honestly believe that Suarez will be given a warning about future conduct as you can’t be banning players for the context of a word in their country and native tongue. United will feel vindicated that there has been an enquiry, Liverpool will feel vindicated when Suarez receives a slap on the wrist.
Ferguson’s press conference was a disgrace today and it was very disapointed that not one journalist mentioned that the leaks were coming from Old Trafford regarding ‘Negrito.’
18 November 2011 at 1:53 pm
Couldn’t agree more Rob.
Unless the FA/ManUre have an as yet unseen ace up their sleeve (which for me would have to be testimony from one of the match officials or unequivocal video evidence), then the only outcome I can see is that the whole thing is declared an unfortunate misunderstanding between two players (one of whom appeared to be on a very short fuse from before kick-off).
The FA will have then been seen to be taking the allegation seriously though, and should then apply the same due process to the John Terry case, once the police have completed their investigations.
If the worst happens and Suarez is handed a lengthy ban, despite the lack of evidence to convict him. Then Kenny won’t need much more to inspire the squad to play well without him than the injustice of his absence.
YNWA
18 November 2011 at 2:14 pm
Fantastic article – these exact sentiments have been spinning round my head for weeks but alas, I don’t have the ability to put words down on paper.
18 November 2011 at 2:49 pm
Great piece Rob, best article posted on TAW so far. Well done.
18 November 2011 at 3:00 pm
great article, thats been researched far more than anything in the press
18 November 2011 at 3:23 pm
Bloody brilliant article. Please send this to Annie Eaves ;)
18 November 2011 at 3:26 pm
Great article, hits the nail on the head. I’m astonished at how much Suarez has been vilified throughout this debacle and yet Evra, a man who’s been in the accusing camp twice before with no evidence or charges forthcoming seems to be painted as the victim in all this. The FA cannot charge Suarez, they would set a ridiculous precedent where a player could be charged for racial abuse simply on the word of another player, frankly I find it laughable that they’ve even charged him.
Even though we’re often accused of “playing the victim”, I really do believe the fact that it’s MUFC’s Captain making the accusation and the fact that their CEO is on the FA Board has a LOT to do with this dragging on.
Evra failed to alert the Ref at any point during the game that he’d been racially abused, he first aired his grievance on French TV BEFORE he’d even told Ferguson one would presume, it was only after that accusation was levied on French TV that Evra was left with no choice but to make it official or face punishment himself for a baseless accusation – hence his and Ferguson’s hurried b-line to the match officials shortly after to make sure it went into the referee’s report.
The whole thing stinks to high heaven.
18 November 2011 at 3:39 pm
Great article with a proper grasp of this situation.
Nice use of Rosetta Stone too in something about mistranslation..
18 November 2011 at 3:53 pm
Great article mate, hopefully this madness will end soon. YNWA!
18 November 2011 at 4:17 pm
Nicely articulated points dealing with the various parties’ previous baggage.
One thing I’d like to add, and this is a key question that I don’t think I’ve heard anyone else ask yet:
If Luis Suarez’ intentions were to racially abuse Patrice Evra that day and he apparently did so on ten separate occasions, why would he use a term that in his mind and in his culture does not carry racial connotations?
And seeing as it has since transpired, teammates of Evra’s use this same term in a friendly manner, what could possibly motivate his desire to proclaim insult? After the fact. At the behest of his benevolent manager, no less…
I do wonder.
Evil Luis Suarez, eh?
19 November 2011 at 9:52 pm
So Suarez was trying to be friendley with Evra then like his teamates, listen to yourself ….. idiot
18 November 2011 at 4:32 pm
Fantastic article. Totally agree with scott allen.
One more little fact, in this article, Chicharito Hernández, comrade of Evra uses the word Negrito refering to his team-mate at that tame Omar Esparza.
http://www.chivascampeon.com/noticia/2009/
18 November 2011 at 6:49 pm
Wholeheartedly agree with the entire article. Call me a paranoid scouser, but I can’t help feeling as though the media coverage throughout this will have some bearing on the outcome.
The sad fact is that the FA love nothing more than a xenophobic witch-hunt and opportunity to hang a foreigner out to dry, given that Luis Suarez is already a pariah then I fear that this is all the vindication that fucking gin & tonic club will need.
18 November 2011 at 7:38 pm
What case is there to answer ? no impartial evidence. A protagonist with a race fixation.If Liverpool’s brief doesn’t get Suarez exonerated with this flimsy non evidence he isn’t worth a light.
18 November 2011 at 9:20 pm
Thanks, good article! I’d rather not try to prove anything by quoting Wikipedia, though. Surely there must be more reliable sources on the use of the word out there?
26 November 2011 at 8:12 pm
I completely agree with your point, Wikipedia is not the right source – widely accepted as accurate – to quote, in such an enlightened article, specially if you´d first referred to the Rosetta Stone in it!!!
I imagine the Spanish experts in tenure neither of Oxford nor Cambridge Universities were available for consultation, but please! at least have the decency of resorting to proper sources, or keep that source for your own and private usage.
Now I wonder where did he find or double-check the Rosetta Stone reference?
18 November 2011 at 10:23 pm
Great article Rob.
19 November 2011 at 8:21 am
Has the point which Chuchu has made that Hernandez has used the Negritos word when talking about a player/friend been brought to the attention of the English media/FA/Liverpool fc? It needs to be as this is the crux of Suarez’s argument as he is puzzled why he is being brought to task when united players use this word about their own players/friends and ultimately Evra
19 November 2011 at 12:33 pm
Brilliant piece, I just wish this could be more widely published because I have seen way too many people who just assume Suarez is guilty. Biting someone doesn’t automatically make you a racist- neither does a hand ball! Unfortunately, that breathtaking hypocrite Ferguson has been doing his best to smear Suarez’s character and too many are too quick to lap up the rubbish he spouts. Case in point is the back of today’s Mirror (who are sh*t stirrers of the highest order when they need to be). Huge headline regarding the case, then about 2 column inches tucked a few pages inside the paper. We need more of YOUR kind of artice out there for the public!!
19 November 2011 at 4:39 pm
Slight contradiction in there, the crux of the issue is if indeed the word Negrito has been used then it is with which sentiment it was used in. In any translation of the word it seems highly unlikely you would use the term to an opponent as a term of endearment or friendship whislt engaging in a hostile exchange, that just doesn’t wash with me at all. If he did repeat it again and again as is suggested it is extremely unlikely that he meant ‘hey my little black friend’. Why repeat that again and again in a hostile exchange. He can stand or hide behind the Spanish or Uraguayin translation of the word all he likes but it’s very clear that as he repeated it again and again in a hostile exchange he meant it in a derogatory manner. You lot can convince yourself that he had the right to use that word/term in a hostile exchange to a black opponent all you like but thankfully the FA are not wearing the same red tinted specs. Fair play to them for seeing through this flimsy defence and the suggestion that it was lost in translation.
Good on the FA. MR Suarez should learn to realise that he can not behave in such a Derogatory manner to any opponent. He has been playing in Europe for over 4 years now and it just not acceptable to behave in such a manner.
19 November 2011 at 10:01 pm
“Furthermore, despite the availability of many witnesses (the crowd, the ref, the players, the cameras), the fact that none were able to corroborate any of Evra’s story suggests quite strongly that at the very least his claim that he was abused on so many different occasions has to at best be a gross exaggeration, and at worst an outright lie.”
Except that Suarez admits saying something ‘that is not offensive in my country’ I think that is sufficient corroboration !!!
19 November 2011 at 10:04 pm
“It’s not a slur whatsoever,” said Espuelas, whose show often addresses racism in the Latino community. “It’s a term of endearment. You definitely would not use that if you were angry. It would sound ridiculous.”
Sorry, obviously Suarez WAS trying to make friends with Evra !!
20 November 2011 at 7:08 am
A great article, Rob. Well said.
Suarez calling someone ”negrito” is just the same as any english person saying ” mate” or ”pal”. NOBODY has come forward with any proof of 1 racist word, never mind “over 10 times”. The FA has had plenty of time to source proof but suprise suprise they have found nothing. I do not understand why they should charge Suarez without any proof.
If it is Evras word against Suarezs word I hope they do consider that there is already a past incident with real proof of Evra lying about a racist issue and his own actions. Suarez has done some things but there is no history of any racism.
Why would he want to say something to upset Evra? He knew he was already running rings round him all game.
Now of course fergie has to keep on playing his mind games and making statements and accusations to muddy the true facts. He just cannot help himself. He likes mouthing off but he has now made himself look like an even bigger prat [is that even possible??!!] by criticising anyone else who dares to give a different opinion.
If the 2 clubs have been told by the FA to not talk about the issue to the press why is he still being allowed to make his comments to them?
I think Evra made the racism claims because he knew Suarez out played him. Anyone watching the game saw Evra was fuming and the ref told him off several times before he was subbed. “I got called racist names” may be easier for him to say instead of “I played crap”.
I just hope the FA sorts this out asap and that the do actually go on the true facts. If Evra sticks to his story of “over 10 times” and is lying I hope he gets severely punished, with huge fines to go to anti-racism funds and more. Man u v Liverpool games are always heated and this horrible situation has definately made it much more.
YNWL
20 November 2011 at 7:14 am
PS
I am not a racist. I have fair skin but you can call me ”white”, ”black”, ”green”, ”purple” or any colour you like and I will not care. Just NEVER call me a man u supporter!
YNWL
20 November 2011 at 11:14 am
‘No shades of grey’ here, just a very biased article. Don’t suppose I should expect anything else on a ‘Liverpool site’. Anyway, this comment will probably be moderated out, no other opinion allowed. My other comments have been and none were ‘offensive’.
20 November 2011 at 3:42 pm
I think it would be very useful to know what else was said between the two, because that would be crucial in getting to the bottom of understanding more about the offensiveness or otherwise of the term ‘negrito’. I’ve been living in South America for 7 years and it’s true that the term is often used affectionately by non-white people to refer to black friends of theirs; you can kind of draw an extremely broad comparison with the English word ‘mate’, in that ‘mate’ is used in an endearing sense, i.e. ‘alright mate!’ and also, less commonly but still used, in a more aggressive, negative way, i.e. ‘are you f*ckin’ lookin’ at me, mate?’. Of course in that last example it’s the ‘are you f*ckin’ lookin’ at me’ part that makes the whole thing aggressive, the ‘mate’ is simply tacked on, probably unconsciously because it’s such a commonly used word between young males. I think we can obviously rule out the ‘term of endearment’ notion, because whatever was going on between Suarez and Evra that day it certainly wasn’t friendly, smiley, matey chit-chat – they were most likely winding each other up, trying to needle each other, put each other off their game a little, as is often the case in football matches. So if Suarez said the equivalent of ‘are you f*ckin lookin’ at me, negrito?’ or something similar, then the ‘negrito’ becomes simply ‘mate’, tacked on to the end of what is an unpleasant, but humdrum and not really offensive, wind-up. However, if he said something like ‘you’re just a f*ckin negrito’, then in a grammatical sense the term becomes the object of the sentence and it becomes an offensive word. Without the rest of the sentence, it becomes impossible to know how the word was used and therefore whether it was used as a slur (and consequently a racial one) or simply formed part of a run-of-the-mill wind-up sentence, a sentence that wasn’t exactly friendly but was by no means racially offensive. It would be very unfair, I think, for either party to be indicted as either a racist or a liar, without taking this key point into consideration.
26 November 2011 at 8:48 pm
Your explanation of the usage of the term “Negrito” in South America is brilliant. But the fact that entonation and context can turn almost any word – in any language – into a slur or its original and most common and innocent meaning into a derogative one, makes the whole situation a bit difficult to sort out.
In my field of work (I am a Translator/Interpreter) the language or even the word is not as important as the intention of the speaker. The FA should contact The Lightman Group…
20 November 2011 at 11:11 pm
Matt, You said;
“It would be very unfair, I think, for either party to be indicted as either a racist or a liar, without taking this key point into consideration.”
I think this is balanced finish to your comment and suspect that may be the outcome, i.e. Suarez will be cleared of racism and cautioned over his future language. Evra is already exonerated by the fact that it has been found there is a case to answer, even if it is only due to Suarez admitting to saying something that could be misconstued.
21 November 2011 at 12:55 am
Letsbeclear – quote ‘In any translation of the word it seems highly unlikely you would use the term to an opponent as a term of endearment or friendship whislt engaging in a hostile exchange’
who said it was used during a hostile exchange?
you are falling into the media trap of believing that suarez was involved in bating or winding up evra. as far as i can see we only have the word of evra for that.
from what i remember of the exchanges on the pitch evra was the only one being hostile and aggressive. and that wasn’t confined to his exchanges with suarez.
he seemed to be wound up from the moment he screamed at the ref to book downing for a dive.
as a previous poster said if suarez wished to racially abuse evra why pick a term that means nothing of the sort in his way of thinking.
21 November 2011 at 9:18 am
Steve,
First off thanks for calling me an idiot. Cheers.
Three things :
1) I noted not that there is no evidence for anything being said (I acknowledge that clearly) but that there is no evidence for Evra’s ‘he said it over 10 times’ claim. Suarez has not conceded that at all.
2) I feel it is likely that Suarez was gently taking the piss out of Evra. The key might well be the ‘-ito’ suffix rather than the ‘neg” prefix. Negrito is the diminutive form, and in using it Suarez might have been trying to take the piss by being over familiar. It could be akin to saying ‘calm down sweetheart, don’t get you knickers in a twist’. In this sense offence is clearly meant, but not because of the colour of the man’s skin. The distinction is key.
3) You say I’m biased but I clearly stress that my piece is a ‘case for the defence’.
21 November 2011 at 9:02 pm
I see a lot of white people commenting that a black man shouldn’t take offence when being called a little darkie. Go to tockie or lodgie and call the nearest black man a little darkie. See how you get on. If suarez wasn’t playing for liverpool these normally anti racist people wouldn’t be found coming out with nonsense like this. You moan that suarez has been found guilty beforehand and then find evra guilty and call him a liar because he took offence at a comment made about his skin colour. Embarrassing lads.
22 November 2011 at 11:03 pm
Great article! I just hope Luis Suarez has a defense half as sound as the one written above. This whole case is maddening nonsense. Evra was a big crybaby who got thrashed on the pitch and he should be ashamed of himself by trying to cover up his football inadequacy by shouting “Racism!”…again. Ughhh…so boring Patrice. Luis Suarez has been vilified so much it drives me mad. I watch footballers dive all over the pitch, shout at the referee throughout the match and all the other crap Suarez is blamed for and noone goes on and on about it. The commentators of every Liverpool match talked about Suarez’ “reputation”…talk about bloody racism! And the worst kind…not the kind where you call someone “ni&&er” to their face…the kind of underhanded racism I see everyday in the “civilized” world, the backhanded, sly, wink and a nod “We’re better than them” criticisms.. Stand up proud for who you are Luis, tell them about your charity work, the language differences, the poverty you grew up around….and win your case on the merits!
23 November 2011 at 1:52 am
bob quote – ‘I see a lot of white people commenting that a black man shouldn’t take offence when being called a little darkie’
why stick to the truth when you can just make something up.
26 November 2011 at 1:07 pm
You say your case is for the defence but I can assure you it’s not a very good one. It’s actually utterly flawed and appalling in its logic. What is more surreal however is the asslicking in most of the comments underneath; only ‘Steve’ and one or two of the other comments seem to point to the very gaping holes in it. And I say this this as a lawyer of 5+ years experience and a Liverpool fan of more than 20.
29 November 2011 at 3:02 am
So Richard (a lawyer of more than 5+ years), perhaps you could expand on your argument? I’ve never met a lawyer in my 15 years as a professional who doesn’t like his argument…
Rob – very well thought out piece I think. As someone who’s partner is half Uruguayan works for a South American airline and so tend to have a lot of dealings with South Americans, I can tell you that as a not very small white male I have at least 3 close friends and countless aquaintances that have always called me Negrito, alongside Pela tudo de mierda, pelado and chucha (the last three are pretty iffy TBF). But it’s just a welcome, “Hey negrito, how are you?” etc.
But at no point have I read the word Negrito been confirmed as the word said. It’s just an assumption from the media.
14 December 2011 at 3:43 pm
Quite simply is anyone supposed to believe that Suarez used the Negrito term in a nicey nicey way considering it was a United Liverpool match . Your assertion that it was unusual that not one of 45000 people heard it is flawed given that 43000 of them were Liverpool supporters . At the end of the day he admits he used the term negrito …which was used to wind up an opponent , something that happens in every game …however by using the very term he was winding up Evra based on the colour of his skin ….and that my dear chaps is called Racism
23 December 2011 at 11:27 am
Congratulations Mick, you are a narrow minded idiot. And clear Manchester United fan.
23 December 2011 at 11:18 pm
Suarez solo el dijo “Negro de mierda”, “Negro” NO es un insulto es una definicion, “de mierda” si es un insulto y que se lo banque como hombre!! Evra le dijo a Suarez “No me toques Sudaca” Yo SOY Sudaca y con mucho orgullo!!! Si evra fuera un Hombre jugaria por Senegal pero el pendejo juega por Francia ydespues acusa de racismo a suarez que se crio en la pobreza en Uruguay rodeado de negros, blancos, indios, trigueños… como todos en uruguay no somos racistas y vamos todos juntos al mismo colegio, No como Evra nene de papa diplomatico millonario criado en Europa, Vamos Suarez!!!!! Estamos con tigo!!!!!!
30 December 2011 at 8:46 pm
Rob: You, and most of liverpool fans, are missing the point in this affair. You cannot use Wikipedia as a reliable source.
I’m uruguayan and, obviously, a spanish speaking person. Did you try to ask someone who speak spanish before citing a childish wiki article?
I’ve post at empireofthekop something and I will repeat some parts here:
Negro is the spanish word for black (the colour). It’s a neutral word, an indispensable one, we use it everyday from Spain to Mexico, in every spanish speaking country, in every place you have someone speaking and thinking in spanish. That’s the word. If you have a notebook with black cover, then you have “un cuaderno negro”. Yes: NEGRO.
One of the most important singers in Latin America was the cuban singer Celia “la Negra” Cruz. She used with PRIDE this moniker, she was black and she was an activist against discrimination too. More, three of her hits where “Mi negro está cansao”, “El negro bembón” y “La negra tiene tumbao” (just try youtube)
Look for her song “Sazón”, dedicated to her husband. She uses the word “negrito” for her own husband (he’s in the video too)
Check the lyrics at least.
That pair of words, negro and negrito, are widely used and accepted with no racist connotations in every country of the spanish world. And not just for the colour of an object, and not just for black people but even for whites.
But you have a lot of more singers, politicians, social activists and fighters against discrimination: the mexican musician Salvador “el Negro” Ojeda, the colombian musician “Negro” Patiño (singer of Sonora Morena band), the argentinian musician Eduardo “Negro” Sosa.
More, “el Negro” González Oro is one of the most important argentinian
journalists. And the most popular and loved argentinian singer: the late Mercedes “la Negra” Sosa. Leftist, exiled, long time activist against all forms of discrimination…
And the most importan uruguayan singer is Rubén Rada, a long time fighter against discrimination in all the world and life time grammy achievement award. The moniker he also uses with pride is… Negro. (Check it in google, see the name of his official site)
And one more thing. This not about any spanish dialect, this is not only in Uruguay or Argentina. Is a matter of SPANISH language in EVERY country.
And as I said before, the word we use for black colour is “negro”. Now I’m using a pair of black shoes while I’m writing this. In spanish is “zapatos negros”.
Is a totally neutral and indispensable word in spanish and all its variants. It’s imposible to resign it.
Then, from Spain to México and Chile, all of the spanish speaking countries are racists according to FA and the new champions of tolerance in England.
This affair about Suarez is a heavy injury to spanish language and culture. Remember that spanish is the third most spoken language in the world.
I guess Liverpool is not doing things well in the defense of Suarez. The authorities of the club are ignorants of the some type as ManU fans. The kop failed in making a good research and a proper statement on this affair. Suarez is more alone than he thinks in England.
I will add something more: If someone really wants to insult other people in a racist way, it’s not enough to say “Negro” or “negrito” only. The same happens with the word “White” in the American Deep South (and maybe in England. I don’t know). There, they add the word “trash”, and uses the expression “White trash”.
Finally, I would pay to see Sir (?) Alex Ferguson, Evra, Parker, the so called “wise men” of FA and the british press calling racists to all the musicians and social activists that love to be known as “negros” or “negras” in Latin America.